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Title: Unapologetic, Over the Top Drumming Examples
Post by: Christopher on June 09, 2004, 01:05 PM
I thought it might be fun to post some examples of things from the extreme side of drumming.

From the land where the phrase "over playing" does not exist.

This is one of my all time favorites. I first heard it when I was 17 and it blew my away. Still does.

Its the legendary  http://www.simon-phillips.com/]Simon Phillips  playing on the classic, Space Boogie from Jeff Becks record, http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000025EY/qid=1086807357/sr=8-3/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i3_xgl15/103-5738901-2720610?v=glance&s=music&n=507846]There and Back .

Hes all over the place on this one. I love it.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/chrisodonnell/spaceboogie.mp3]Space Boogie mp3

Have any you care to share?
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: DougB on June 09, 2004, 01:27 PM
The drums towards the end of Come Sail Away by Styx are not exactly "extreme" but somewhat on the wild side.  It's always been my favorite part of a Styx song.
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Mister Acrolite on June 09, 2004, 01:35 PM
Space Boogie rocks - I've always loved that track!

I've got a bunch of my favorite over-the-topness  http://www.keithcronin.com/fromhell.html]HERE .




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Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: ritarocks on June 09, 2004, 01:54 PM
Almost every drummer on every Al DiMeola tune. 8)  <example: "Suite...">

Also, Richard Bailey on Jeff Beck's "Blow by Blow"  gets pretty darn hot, too...especially on that end part teaser about halfway through the album where he just totally goes off.
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: SteveR on June 09, 2004, 01:55 PM
Pretty much any song by Dave Matthews Band.  ;D

Some people think Carter 'overplays' but I think his style fits Dave's music.  I can't imagine that band with any other drummer.
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Mark Schlipper on June 09, 2004, 02:17 PM
Christian Vander and Magma.   Heavy Elvin Jones influence in a prog rock format.  Totally unrelenting sometimes.  Sorry I have no particular tracks right now, but there are so dang many moments youre likely to hit one in every song.

Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Christopher on June 09, 2004, 02:22 PM
Great examples.

And everyone should check out Mr. A's licks page. Great stuff.

Forgive me, I'm on a "Beck kick".

Here's one from the record http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005AREP/ref=pd_bxgy_text_1/103-5738901-2720610?v=glance&s=music&n=507846&st=*]Wired . It's  http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Narada_Michael_Walden.html]Narada Michael Walden   just ripping it up on Led Boots...

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ckkod/ledboots.mp3]Led Boots mp3

Title: Re:Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: LuvmyLeedy on June 09, 2004, 02:25 PM
best over the top drummer i have seen in recent memory was ian frohmann playing live with metalwood. i think he also instructs at berklee. fantastic off the cuff vituosity with a very keen musicality. very heavy.

man those drum sounds in space boogie are hilarious!

funny new sig mr. A :D
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Stewart Manley on June 09, 2004, 02:46 PM
Quote from: Christopher on June 09, 2004, 01:05 PMIts the legendary Simon Phillips playing on the classic, Space Boogie from Jeff Becks record, There and Back.

Yaroo! Saw the man himself on that tour with Jeff Beck, Manchester Apollo. I needed gaffer tape to keep my jaw up. Should've added that to Smogg's "gigs that left you speechless" thread.

I remember an interview Beck gave back then. He said he was concerned about Phillips in the drum chair, because he thought he could only "overplay" (my phrasing, I can't remember a 30-year old interview verbatim, alas). "Then I heard him play The Pump and changed my mind."

Ah, me. Happy memories.

Anyway, my nomination for the evening is Weckl's Tiempo de Festival from the Live, and Very Plugged In CD.
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: smoggrocks on June 09, 2004, 02:52 PM
yeah, mr. a's got some great examples. i also nominate the tony williams lifetime album. 'fred' is beyond sick.

peter erskine's playing on that joe hender-son 'relaxin' at camarillo' album is great [forget the exact song title], and also pete's playing on 'heavy weather' by weather report.

there was also a totally unknown band called fathead suburbia whose drummer was beyond crazy. the stuff he pulled off was just nuts. the band would do their own little vamp, and he'd just let loose over it.

i also like tain watt's playing on branford marsalis's 'crazy people music,' kenny kirkland's solo album, also tain's own solo album.

and i was always impressed with just about anything neil peart did from the first album to moving pictures.

also, it's not on an album per se, but i'm still recovering from thomas lang's performance at the modern drummer festival last year or so.


Title: Re:Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: JayB on June 09, 2004, 02:53 PM
Well, if some how Extreme can include busy....
I'm  a very busy drummer, and as such, my "busy drummer idols" would have to be:
Mitch Mitchell - Jimi Hendrix
BJ Wilson - Procol Harum (among others)
Keith Moon - The Who
And sometimes John Densmore of the doors could be quite busy
Title: Re:Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: smoggrocks on June 09, 2004, 02:54 PM
Quote from: LuvmyLeedy on June 09, 2004, 02:25 PM

funny new sig mr. A :D


isn't it great? i crack up whenever i see it. mr. a is a funny dude. i also really liked his 'one man. one cowbell' period.
Title: Re:Unapologetic, &#8220;Over the Top&#8221; Drumming Examples
Post by: Mightydog on June 09, 2004, 03:02 PM
The drumming on Louie Louie by The Kingsmen.
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: agogobil on June 09, 2004, 04:16 PM
Carl Palmer on Pictures At An Exhibition - pretty much throughout the whole thing, but on "The Hut of Baba Yaga" medley, the constant sixteenths around the kit really drive the music.

Clive Bunker on the first two Jethro Tull albums, This Was and Stand Up.  Nothing simple here.

Jean Philippe Fanfant on Sakesho - a mix of jazz and caribbean rhythms.

Julio Barreto on Antiguo, Gonzalo Rubalcaba's album that merges Yoruban rhythms with electronics.
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: doodoq on June 09, 2004, 04:35 PM
Hocus Pocus by Focus...A weird song made even stranger by an unabashed drum track!
Title: Re:Unapologetic, &#8220;Over the Top&#8221; Drumming Examples
Post by: DougB on June 10, 2004, 06:21 AM
Quote from: Mightydog on June 09, 2004, 03:02 PM
The drumming on Louie Louie by The Kingsmen.

Good one!  We used to play this song years ago - it was a blast.  Along with Wipe Out, which we used as an opportunity for each person in the band to do a solo.  Drums got to do 2-3 solos in that one!   :)
Title: Re:Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: felix on June 10, 2004, 07:24 AM
I really need to just up and stop playing drums permanently.

Thanks guys.
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Paul DAngelo on June 10, 2004, 07:32 AM
Quote from: Christopher on June 09, 2004, 02:22 PM
Narada Michael Walden   just ripping it up on Led Boots...
Narada Michael Walden on just about anything he ever played!  Talk about "over the top"!  Check out Mahavishnu Orchestra's "Visions of the Emerald Beyond" to hear serious "over the top" drumming by Walden.  Check out "Eternity's Breath, Part 1 and Part 2".  
Title: Re:Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Christopher on June 10, 2004, 07:41 AM
Quote from: felix on June 10, 2004, 07:24 AM
I really need to just up and stop playing drums permanently.

Thanks guys.

C'mon man...

It's meant to inspire you!  ;D

Not depress you.  :'(

Quote from: themudlark on June 10, 2004, 07:32 AM
Narada Michael Walden on just about anything he ever played!  Talk about "over the top"!  Check out Mahavishnu Orchestra's "Visions of the Emerald Beyond" to hear serious "over the top" drumming by Walden.  Check out "Eternity's Breath, Part 1 and Part 2".  

Nice... I only have the MO records with Cobham. I'll have to check those out. Thanks

Title: Re:Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Gretschn on June 10, 2004, 09:08 AM
I definitely agree with smoggrocks about Tony Williams. His left hand makes me giddy on just about any recording. I especially like the miles in the sky album he does with Miles Davis. Also Nite sprite by Chick Corea with Steve Gadd is off the hook.
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Snowdogyyz on June 10, 2004, 09:12 AM
Jimmy Chamberlin of the Smashing Pumpkins on Glass and the Ghost Children.  Some very nice drumming... especially live.
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: dstuart on June 10, 2004, 06:31 PM
Quote from: agogobil on June 09, 2004, 04:16 PM
Carl Palmer on Pictures At An Exhibition - pretty much throughout the whole thing, but on "The Hut of Baba Yaga" medley, the constant sixteenths around the kit really drive the music.

Clive Bunker on the first two Jethro Tull albums, This Was and Stand Up.  Nothing simple here.

Jean Philippe Fanfant on Sakesho - a mix of jazz and caribbean rhythms.

Julio Barreto on Antiguo, Gonzalo Rubalcaba's album that merges Yoruban rhythms with electronics.

Funny...I also thought that Palmer's drum part on "Lucky Man" was a bit over the top, but I still like it.   :D
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: EternalXos on June 10, 2004, 11:48 PM
The nice thing about listening to death/black metal is that there's no such thing as "too much" when it comes to drums. The result is that every band I listen to features a drummer who just doesn't know when to quit.

Check out any or all of the following for way too much drumming:

Death - "The Sound of Perseverance" (Richard Christy)
Spiral Architect - "A Sceptic's Universe" (Asgeir Mickelson)
Watchtower - "Demonstrations In Chaos" (I honestly do not know)
Vital Remains - "Dechristianize" (same as above)
Today is the Day - "In the Eyes of God" (Brann Dailor)
Misery Index - "Overthrow" (Kevin Talley)
Title: Re:Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Matt Self (Gaddabout) on June 11, 2004, 01:02 AM
Vinnie Colaiuta on "Scophile" from John Patitucci's "Sketches." It's over-the-top even for Vinnie in a stretching/fusion setting. I considered it an extreme indulgence to listen to. I can only imagine how it felt to play it. Only outdone by a bootleg making its way around the Internet, a 19-minute improv solo of Vinnie throwing up on the drums ... this is pornography expressed in rhythm. I feel ashamed for having a copy. Not that I'll part with it.
Title: Re:Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Stewart Manley on June 11, 2004, 02:33 AM
Quote from: Gaddabout on June 11, 2004, 01:02 AM
Vinnie Colaiuta on "Scophile" from John Patitucci's "Sketches."

Oh yes indeed, good call. Classic drum porn.

Small correction for anyone who goes looking for this: the CD is Sketchbook, not Sketches.
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Dead Trooper on June 11, 2004, 06:53 PM
Drum porn! Too funny!!!  ;D

Bozzio is pretty sick on Vai's Sex and Religion. He does some awesome round house rolls. And the double bass / crash fills are classic.
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Lecifer on June 12, 2004, 08:02 AM
Quote from: EternalXos on June 10, 2004, 11:48 PM
The nice thing about listening to death/black metal is that there's no such thing as "too much" when it comes to drums. The result is that every band I listen to features a drummer who just doesn't know when to quit.

Watchtower - "Demonstrations In Chaos" (I honestly do not know)

That would be Rick Colaluca. Anything by WatchTower is over the top. The guitarist Ron Jarzombek has another band, Spastic Ink that is even more complex than WatchTower with his brother on drums, Bobby Jarzombek (Halford/Riot/Spastic Ink) now on tour with Iced Earth replacing Richard Christy.

Check out  http://spasticink.com/]http://spasticink.com/
A little video clip:

http://www.spasticink.com/bobaquanet.wmv]http://www.spasticink.com/bobaquanet.wmv
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Christopher on June 18, 2004, 07:51 AM
Heres another example of super charged, high octane, take no prisoners drumming.

This one is from the incredible  http://www.deep-purple.com/band/?paice]Ian Paice.  

The tune is Burn, from the 1974 Deep Purple  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000002KFA/qid=1087566381/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/103-1683351-0949468?v=glance&s=music&n=507846]album of the same name .

It leaves most of us tired and out of breath by the end.

Outstanding.


http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ckkod/burn.mp3]Burn mp3


Title: Re:Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: MLR on June 18, 2004, 09:07 AM
Heard this one for the first time in years last week...  "Hot for Teacher" by Van Halen.  Drumming at the beginning blows me away.  Maybe not over the top by some standards but certainly amazing.
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Dead Trooper on June 18, 2004, 11:33 AM
I love Paice's snare playing. Cool song to play, but try and keep the tempo up to speed the whole tune...

Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Christopher on July 15, 2004, 12:34 PM
Here's one that I've always loved.

It has speed, finesse and creativity to spare.

It features one of my all time favorite drummers, the great  http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Danny_Seraphine.html]Danny Seraphine .

The song is Make Me Smile, originally released as a single; it appeared later on a remastered version of  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000069KE0/qid=1089916353/sr=8-5/ref=pd_ka_5/102-8232814-3849741?v=glance&s=music&n=507846]Chicago II .

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ckkod/smile.mp3]Make Me Smile mp3

;D

Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Paul DAngelo on July 15, 2004, 01:17 PM
Quote from: Christopher on July 15, 2004, 12:34 PM
Here's one that I've always loved.

It has speed, finesse and creativity to spare.

It features one of my all time favorite drummers, the great  http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Danny_Seraphine.html]Danny Seraphine .

The song is Make Me Smile, originally released as a single; it appeared later on a remastered version of  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000069KE0/qid=1089916353/sr=8-5/ref=pd_ka_5/102-8232814-3849741?v=glance&s=music&n=507846]Chicago II .

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ckkod/smile.mp3]Make Me Smile mp3

;D


What a great song!  I've been playing along with that one since Chicago II was released.  Daniel Seraphine was another heavy influence on me.
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Christopher on July 15, 2004, 01:25 PM
Quote from: mudlark on July 15, 2004, 01:17 PM
What a great song!  I've been playing along with that one since Chicago II was released.  Daniel Seraphine was another heavy influence on me.


Danny's just great, isn't he?

Such a bummer he's not playing anymore.

Every time I hear him play, I just wanna sit at an old four piece kit and shred.  8)
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Paul DAngelo on July 15, 2004, 01:44 PM
Quote from: Christopher on July 15, 2004, 01:25 PM
Such a bummer he's not playing anymore.
Has he actually quit playing?  I always wondered what happened between him and Chicago.  I had to dig a bit, but I found an interesting interview with him, ca 1994:

http://www.effingham.com/bishop/DannySeraphineInterview.htm]Interview
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Christopher on July 15, 2004, 02:04 PM
Quote from: mudlark on July 15, 2004, 01:44 PM
Has he actually quit playing?  I always wondered what happened between him and Chicago.  I had to dig a bit, but I found an interesting interview with him, ca 1994:

http://www.effingham.com/bishop/DannySeraphineInterview.htm]Interview

I've read that before but thanks. That interview is the last that anyone has heard from him that I know of...

Sad.

Title: Re:Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Andrew on July 15, 2004, 02:08 PM
Quote from: felix on June 10, 2004, 07:24 AMI really need to just up and stop playing drums permanently.

Thanks guys.

Yeah. A lot of this stuff is kinda face melting.

Like this!

http://www.superluckyband.com/seven/LarksTongues2.mp3]Larks' Tongues in Aspic  and  http://www.superluckyband.com/seven/Neurotica.mp3]Neurotica , featuring Bill Bruford and Pat Mastelotto going head-to-head during King Crimson's "double trio" tour.
Title: Re:Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: incdrummer on July 15, 2004, 03:29 PM
The solo at the start of Rainbows 'Stargazer' by the late Cozy Powell is a classic.
Title: Re:Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: mollig on July 16, 2004, 11:05 AM
derek roddy is incredibly fast...
sometimes i thought hes playing double bass but it was only "single" bass o_O
hes some kind of insane
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Christopher on July 30, 2004, 12:14 PM
This weeks installment doesn't quite have the furious pace or ripping chops of previous examples, but I'm including it here anyway.   8)


Let's have a listen to the incomparable  http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/John_Bonham.html]John Bonham  on one the grooviest tracks in history, Poor Tom.


The tune is from the album  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000002JSR/qid=1091210167/sr=8-1/ref=pd_ka_1/002-6495575-1017638?v=glance&s=music&n=507846]Coda  that was released in 1982, two years after John's death. It is seldom played on the radio so some of you may be hearing it for the first time.

Coda is a compilation of material that was not released while the band was in existence. There are many other real gems on this record. If you're so inclined to buy it, you won't be disappointed.

The rolling, freight train type groove that Bonzo plays on the song is nothing short of mesmerizing. The sound of the kit, perfect.

Quite the ankle warmer too. I usually play this groove to assess any type of kick pedal that I'm trying out. It's a goodie.

If you haven't heard it before, turn it up and check out..

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ckkod/poortom.mp3]Poor Tom mp3

Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: JimTandem on July 31, 2004, 09:36 PM
What a great thread! I too consider Danny Seraphine a huge influence. his grooves on songs like 25 or 6 are deep.
Anyway, for some good over the top stuff, check out Billy Cobham on the song Storm from the Crosswinds album. If you have a good stereo system and crank it way up it gets pretty close to a religous experience. If anyone else had heard this song, how did he get those tom effects? Is that from a flanger?
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Christopher on August 06, 2004, 12:44 PM

All right, back to some more examples from drumming of mass destruction.  ;)

This next display of super human, top fuel dragster intensity is almost too much to bear.

Its a wicked demonstration of dizzying playing from the one, the only, the astonishing  http://www.dennischambers.com]Dennis Chambers.

You probably haven't heard the song before.  Its from an out of print Pearl Drums CD, produced in 1991. From what was called their "Pearl Audiophile Collection."

The CD is titled Dennis Chambers - Big City. The clip is from the track, Straight Red.

Prepare for take off...


http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ckkod/straightred.mp3]Straight Red mp3



Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Stewart Manley on August 06, 2004, 01:33 PM
Quote from: Christopher on August 06, 2004, 12:44 PM...the one, the only, the astonishing Dennis Chambers.

Blimey. I've just had to sit down with a cold beer after listening to that.

Perhaps I'll just crack another one and listen to it again...
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Christopher on August 09, 2004, 07:24 AM
Quote from: moosetication on August 06, 2004, 01:33 PM
Blimey. I've just had to sit down with a cold beer after listening to that.

Perhaps I'll just crack another one and listen to it again...

How many did it take Moose?  ;)
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Stewart Manley on August 09, 2004, 09:37 AM
Quote from: Christopher on August 09, 2004, 07:24 AM
How many did it take Moose?  ;)

Well, it necessitated another trip to the supermarket, so quite a few. And it prompted me to watch a copy of CAB2 on eBay, so I may have to stock up again.
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Christopher on August 09, 2004, 10:10 AM
Quote from: moosetication on August 09, 2004, 09:37 AM
Well, it necessitated another trip to the supermarket, so quite a few. And it prompted me to watch a copy of CAB2 on eBay, so I may have to stock up again.

I need to check out CAB2 myself. Sounds like it could be killer from the players listed.

For more blistering Dennis stuff, check out the Scofield album  http://half.ebay.com/cat/buy/prod.cgi?cpid=1696634&domain_id=1876&meta_id=2]Pick Hits Live.  

Unreal. (It may necessitate getting a whole keg though.)

;)
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Christopher on August 11, 2004, 09:46 AM
 http://www.drummerworld.com/drummers/Rod_Morgenstein.html]Rod Morgenstein  has been one of my favorite drummers since a bass player friend first turned me onto the Dixie Dregs back in the late 80s.

Here's some smokin' drumming from Rod on Take It Off The Top.

It's a remade version for the 1989 release of  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B000002VGY/104-1563574-5181508?v=glance]The Best of the Dregs: Divided We Stand .

The original version of Take It Off The Top appears on the 1978 Dregs album  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000064TT/ref=pd_sim_music_2/104-1563574-5181508?v=glance&s=music]What If.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ckkod/takeitoffthetop.mp3]Take It Off The Top mp3
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Paul DAngelo on August 11, 2004, 09:56 AM
Quote from: Christopher on June 09, 2004, 02:22 PM
Narada Michael Walden Led Boots...

Just had to add, Narada Michael Walden is WAY OVER the top on Mahavishnu Orchestra's "Visions of the Emerald Beyond".
Title: Unapologetic, &#8220;Over the Top&#8221; Drumming Examples
Post by: lonetomato on August 11, 2004, 05:16 PM
It's not easy to find but Michael Manring's CD, Thonk, features some amazing drumming from Tim "Herb" Alexander and Steve Smith (nice to hear him go nuts in a rock setting). Oh, and the bass player is pretty good too.
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: DougB on August 12, 2004, 08:18 AM
Quote from: Christopher on July 30, 2004, 12:14 PM
Coda is a compilation of material that was not released while the band was in existence. There are many other real gems on this record. If you're so inclined to buy it, you won't be disappointed.

Don't forget the drum orchestra piece entitled Bonzo's Montreaux (or something like that), complete with steel drums!  While not really complex, it's still fun to listen to.
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: mully on August 13, 2004, 03:55 AM
Quote from: mudlark on August 11, 2004, 09:56 AM
Just had to add, Narada Michael Walden is WAY OVER the top on Mahavishnu Orchestra's "Visions of the Emerald Beyond".

But wonderful with it.  I learned to play drums by basically copying the rock names of the day - Bonham, Simon Kirke etc, and it was all very solid, and in many ways "basic" drumming - big fat backbeat, solid triplet fills etc.  Walden was my introduction to a different way to play.  I was just blown away by the "Visions..." album, and it's still one of my favourites.  I actually preferred the Mahavishnu Orchestra with Walden rather than Cobham.  Of course, I can't play like either of those two guys! :)

Stephen
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Stewart Manley on August 18, 2004, 02:39 AM
Quote from: Christopher on August 09, 2004, 10:10 AM
I need to check out CAB2 myself. Sounds like it could be killer from the players listed.

Well, I picked up CAB2. And CAB. And CAB4. All from the same seller.

Best money I've spend on CDs recently, and no mistake. I'll post some clips when I've picked myself up and figured out how.

Edit: Here's a clip from the  http://www.moonbeams.plus.com/alphonseclip.mp3]closing section of Alphonse  (a tribute to M. Mouzon) from CAB4.
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Stewart Manley on August 18, 2004, 09:15 AM
And another example from Mr Chambers, this time from CAB's first CD (unimaginatively also called CAB). It's a section  http://www.moonbeams.plus.com/boogieclip.mp3]near the end of Boogie ...
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Christopher on August 18, 2004, 09:41 AM
Quote from: moosetication on August 18, 2004, 09:15 AM
And another example from Mr Chambers, this time from CAB's first CD (unimaginatively also called CAB). It's a section  http://www.moonbeams.plus.com/boogieclip.mp3]near the end of Boogie ...

Wow.

Excellent.

Thanks for posting that Moose.
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Mister Acrolite on August 18, 2004, 09:44 AM
Quote from: moosetication on August 18, 2004, 09:15 AM
And another example from Mr Chambers, this time from CAB's first CD (unimaginatively also called CAB). It's a section  http://www.moonbeams.plus.com/boogieclip.mp3]near the end of Boogie ...

The depressing thing is that Dennis played that solo one-handed, while toweling himself off and grabbing a drink with the other hand.









Okay, so I'm kidding. But the scary thing is, he probably COULD!
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Christopher on August 18, 2004, 09:49 AM
Quote from: Mister Acrolite on August 18, 2004, 09:44 AM
The depressing thing is that Dennis played that solo one-handed, while toweling himself off and grabbing a drink with the other hand.

I know...  :'(

He's a freak of nature.

Imagine how he whisks eggs in the kitchen...

Faster than an electric mixer on high.  ;D
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Stewart Manley on August 18, 2004, 09:51 AM
Quote from: Mister Acrolite on August 18, 2004, 09:44 AM
The depressing thing is that Dennis played that solo one-handed, while toweling himself off and grabbing a drink with the other hand.

Okay, so I'm kidding. But the scary thing is, he probably COULD!

Scarier still is how he manages to reach his 18" floor tom (his  http://www.pearldrum.com/d_chambers.asp]third floor tom , that is) at that speed. If I spun round at that speed, Conservation of Momentum would ensure all sorts of unpleasant things would keep moving after I stopped...
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Steve_LeBlanc on August 30, 2004, 11:19 AM
I don't think anyone was ever able to create as much "WOW" by banging skins as Billy Cobham....his hands alone were mind boggling, add his sense of groove and creativity to that and...well..."WOW WOW WOW man!" :)

I'm a fan of a lot of busy drummers...I love busy drums, I don't find it pornographic (or musically offensive) at all. Sometimes you want to hear a drummer back up a great song...sometimes the song sucks and therefore you need the drummer (or someone) to wail so you don't fall asleep on the road. Or sometimes there isn't a song, in that case a good groove can only carry itself for so long...the reason so many of the "jambands" are suck/boring is that the drummers never let loose (and/or just don't have the skills).

Some other memorable "wow" drum performances off the top of my head:

Dave Weckl on "Got a Match" and "Silver Temple"

Dennis Chambers on John McLaughlin "Live In Paris" CD...the whole performance

Deen Castronovo on Jason Becker's album "Go Off"...especially the tune "Black Cat" - totally sick doublekick drumming

I could list many others, all day but er, I should be working :)




Title: Re:Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: oxford on September 11, 2004, 03:21 AM
man, I can't even think as fast as these guys play. :(
Title: Re:Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Stewart Manley on September 11, 2004, 08:49 AM
Quote from: oxford on September 11, 2004, 03:21 AM
man, I can't even think as fast as these guys play. :(

Chastening, isn't it?  :(

Weirdest thing. Play those clips backwards, and you can distinctly hear a satanic voice saying "woodshed ... woodshed ... woodshed ..."
Title: Re:Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: oxford on September 11, 2004, 12:07 PM
i can't even think that fast...backwards, either :( :D
Title: Re:Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Tony on September 12, 2004, 07:57 AM
Quote from: moosetication on September 11, 2004, 08:49 AM
Chastening, isn't it?  :(

Weirdest thing. Play those clips backwards, and you can distinctly hear a satanic voice saying "woodshed ... woodshed ... woodshed ..."

ROTFLMAO
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: DrummerALimal on September 27, 2004, 05:32 AM
OTT here:  http://www.hepworthband.com/take5.mp3]http://www.hepworthband.com/take5.mp3

Not sure whether Mr Brubeck would be impressed with this  :-\ ;D
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: cupcake on October 05, 2004, 09:05 PM
i agree death metal is insanely tiring  and intense
Title: Re:Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Stewart Manley on November 08, 2004, 09:45 AM
Well, I thought it was time this thread got bumped.

Here's a clip from High Wire, the final track from Come on In, the most recent CD from Steve Smith and Vital Information.

It's breaking the rules a bit at more than 30sec (nearly a full minute, in fact) but it would have been criminal to cut this in the middle.

http://www.moonbeams.plus.com/highwireclip.mp3]Enjoy!
Title: Re:Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Dave Heim on November 08, 2004, 10:05 AM
Quote from: moosetication on November 08, 2004, 09:45 AM
Well, I thought it was time this thread got bumped.

Here's a clip from High Wire, the final track from Come on In, the most recent CD from Steve Smith and Vital Information.

It's breaking the rules a bit at more than 30sec (nearly a full minute, in fact) but it would have been criminal to cut this in the middle.

http://www.moonbeams.plus.com/highwireclip.mp3]Enjoy!

That CD is great!  Some of the playing on High Wire reminds me of Steve Gadd on Chick Corea's Three Quartets.
Title: Re:Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Showtime on January 09, 2005, 09:40 AM
Dave Weckyl = Over the top
Title: Re:Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: drumforsoul on January 10, 2005, 03:48 PM
umm.. that snoop boogie track made feel so uncreative :(
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Tkitna on January 10, 2005, 10:59 PM
These arent as great as some of the previously mentioned tracks before, but I always dug them.

Phil Ehart on 'Spider' off of "Point of No Return" by Kansas. Pretty sick actually.

Lee Kerslake on 'Easy Livin' from Uriah Heeps "Demons And Wizards". I realize its one of their more popular tunes, but he does well on it.

Bill Bruford on 'Heart of the Sunrise' off of "Fragile" from YES.

Jim Gordon on 'Overture' off of Mason Williams Phonograph record. I've wanted Mr. A. to hear this for along time and its only a minute long. My bad for not burning that correctly the first time.

Jeff Porcaro on 'Goodbye Girl' off of Toto's self titled album. The ride is killer.

Tony Brock on 'Head First' off of the same titled album from the Babys. Its not ungodly, but he's an underated talent throughout the entire album.

Title: Re:Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: IncuDrummer on January 10, 2005, 11:04 PM
Quote from: JayB on June 09, 2004, 02:53 PM
Well, if some how Extreme can include busy....
I'm  a very busy drummer, and as such, my "busy drummer idols" would have to be:
Mitch Mitchell - Jimi Hendrix
BJ Wilson - Procol Harum (among others)
Keith Moon - The Who
And sometimes John Densmore of the doors could be quite busy
bonham of led zeppelin and pasillas of incubus too
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Stewart Manley on April 04, 2005, 09:40 AM
Thought I'd have another crack at resurrecting this thread.

Here's two clips from the irrepressibly short and cuddly Simon Phillips, taken from Derek Sherinian's Black Utopia CD from 2003.

First is just an  http://www.moonbeams.plus.com/axisofevil_snip.mp3]unashamed example of "rolling thunder"  (around 0:30 here), from the track Axis of Evil.

The second is my favourite. There's a rip-snorting version of Jeff Beck's Star Cycle on this CD (on which Simon originally played too, some 24 years ago), and at the end of the bridge Simon rips a deceptively simple fill.  http://www.moonbeams.plus.com/starcycle_snip.mp3]It's at about 0:37 in this clip . Try and play it with the dynamics he uses. It's almost like he plays four mini-cresc within it.
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Christopher on May 14, 2005, 08:33 PM
Quote from: moosetication on April 04, 2005, 09:40 AM
Thought I'd have another crack at resurrecting this thread.

Here's two clips from the irrepressibly short and cuddly Simon Phillips, taken from Derek Sherinian's Black Utopia CD from 2003.


Egadds! I hadn't seen this until now. Unreal. Simon is devastating.

Moose, we have to get together next time I'm over there.

I'll bring some choice CDs with me.
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: JerBear on May 15, 2005, 07:07 PM
Weckl in just about anything he does.
http://64.246.176.199/interactiveTours/common/getCats.php?ses=1&fla_key=&cTypeID=1&userID=EM12&bizType=Media&itemNum=9981&catsID=492&item=1&pPath=../businesses/Media/EM12/newFolder483/default9981.jpg&picDir=../businesses/Media/EM12/newFolder483/default9981]http://64.246.176.199/interactiveTours/common/getCats.php?ses=1&fla_key=&cTypeID=1&userID=EM12&bizType=Media&itemNum=9981&catsID=492&item=1&pPath=../businesses/Media/EM12/newFolder483/default9981.jpg&picDir=../businesses/Media/EM12/newFolder483/default9981
Title: Unapologetic, “Over the Top” Drumming Examples
Post by: Drumodad on May 15, 2005, 09:23 PM
I figured by now someone would have said Gadds playing in  Aja by Steely Dan.Not sure if its "over the top" but he sure is getting busy.
Title: Unapologetic, ?Over the Top? Drumming Examples
Post by: Christopher on January 27, 2006, 10:14 PM
(Drags thread out from its dusty spot underneath the stairs, checks it for signs of life and props it on a chair)

Iââ,¬â,,¢ve got some important news. Are you listening? Good.

Alright. Here it is.

Vinnie Colaiuta is an alien life form from another galaxy.

A galaxy that contains solar systems and planets just like our own Milky Way. But on Vinnieââ,¬â,,¢s planet, drums, cymbals and sticks grow freely and abundantly. Much like the way wild green grass grows on our own God given Earth. The inhabitants play drums as naturally as we draw breath.

There. Iââ,¬â,,¢ve said it. Prove me wrong.

That seems to be the only adequate conclusion that I can derive from listening to this creature play drums.

A prime example is below.

Vinnie is heard here on the 1995 release of former Zappa band mate Warren Cuccurullo.

The record is named  http://www.cuccurullo.tv/contentframe/untilnow/disco/wc/thanks/thankslist.html#1]Thanks To Frank

The tune is Tardinha.

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ckkod/tardinha.mp3]Tardinha.mp3

I need to lie downââ,¬Â¦


Title: Unapologetic, ?Over the Top? Drumming Examples
Post by: DWdrmr on January 28, 2006, 12:37 PM
I know Mitch Mitchell was mentioned, but, I read a fairly recent interview (last year) that he was  apologetic for his "overplaying"...  and even embarrassed.  ??? on the first 3 Hendrix albums..
When I think of what a next step up it was to buy those albums when they were new, and hear that guy taking it beyond snare on 2 & 4...BD on 1 & 3..
How many people did he influence heavily in those years? The next logical step for me was listening to what had influenced him...jazz drummers....Morello, Elvin, Buddy,etc.
It's hard to think how different for me my musical tatse would be if he had  played the 2 &4, and the 1 & 3...
And he's sorry he played like that... :P
Title: Unapologetic, ?Over the Top? Drumming Examples
Post by: Stewart Manley on January 28, 2006, 01:41 PM
Quote from: Christopher on January 27, 2006, 10:14 PMVinnie Colaiuta is an alien life form from another galaxy.

Vinnie Colaiuta very bad man. Make me wet pants.

Ahem.

Here's another couple of Colaiutastic performances, two clips both from the excellent John Patitucci CD Sketchbook from 1990, in each case the opening 45 sec.

http://www.moonbeams.plus.com/Spaceships_clip.mp3]Spaceships

http://www.moonbeams.plus.com/Scophile_clip.mp3]Scophile

Very bad man.
Title: Unapologetic, ?Over the Top? Drumming Examples
Post by: Christopher on January 28, 2006, 02:13 PM
Quote from: moosetication on January 28, 2006, 01:41 PM
http://www.moonbeams.plus.com/Spaceships_clip.mp3]Spaceships

http://www.moonbeams.plus.com/Scophile_clip.mp3]Scophile

Very bad man.

Indeed.

Sick.  :o
Title: Unapologetic, �Over the Top� Drumming Examples
Post by: ggreif05 on January 28, 2006, 02:22 PM
i know he's not a drummer, but michael angelo batio belongs on any list dealing with musical excess... he was the guy  who played the 4 necked guitar back in the 80's...

but to tie in a more modern drummer, i think the guy from "from first to last" goes over the top in terms of the style sometimes...
Title: Unapologetic, ?Over the Top? Drumming Examples
Post by: junglelord on January 28, 2006, 02:26 PM
my limited experinece with vinnie on DVD, i have never seen vinnie play on video without reading music :o
man is that some spacealien or what? :D
his drums (think there were Gretsch) on the Steve Gadd tribute DVD sounded like no drums i have ever heard, they were sooooo nice.
i have heard and do love several top level kits, but his was really something special.
anybody know that DVD and what he was playing?
2003 american drummers achievement awards Steve Gadd
and special honour to Armand Zildjian as he had just passed away. :'(
Title: Re:Unapologetic, ?Over the Top? Drumming Examples
Post by: Stewart Manley on January 28, 2006, 02:37 PM
Vinnie is a Gretsch endorser.
Title: Unapologetic, ?Over the Top? Drumming Examples
Post by: Tae on January 28, 2006, 02:46 PM
Quote from: Christopher on January 27, 2006, 10:14 PM


http://mywebpages.comcast.net/ckkod/tardinha.mp3]Tardinha.mp3

:o :o :o :o :o........ :o. That is all I have to say about that.
Title: Re:Unapologetic, &#8220;Over the Top&#8221; Drumming Examples
Post by: DWdrmr on January 30, 2006, 07:12 PM
Quote from: Mightydog on June 09, 2004, 03:02 PM
The drumming on Louie Louie by The Kingsmen.

Does anyone actually know the words to that song???...
I don't think Danny Carey was mentioned, altho, he might have been..
Title: Re:Unapologetic, ?Over the Top? Drumming Examples
Post by: DWdrmr on January 30, 2006, 07:15 PM
Quote from: MLR on June 18, 2004, 09:07 AM
Heard this one for the first time in years last week...  "Hot for Teacher" by Van Halen.  Drumming at the beginning blows me away.  Maybe not over the top by some standards but certainly amazing.

That triplet on the bell of the ride...just can't seem to get that...
Title: Re:Unapologetic, &#8220;Over the Top&#8221; Drumming Examples
Post by: Dave Heim on January 30, 2006, 07:16 PM
Quote from: DWdrmr on January 30, 2006, 07:12 PM
Does anyone actually know the words to that song???... [Louie, Louie]
I don't think Danny Carey was mentioned, altho, he might have been..

According to SongFacts.com. . .

http://www.songfacts.com/lyrics.php?findsong=782
Title: Re:Unapologetic, ?Over the Top? Drumming Examples
Post by: DWdrmr on January 30, 2006, 07:24 PM
Good Lord,Dave..I mean I'm sitting here listening to "Classical Gas"...and you come up with the lyrics to "Louie, Louie"...
How DO you do it?? I'll bet you could probably find lyrics to Classical Gas, too...LOL. Very cool...thanks

EDIT: Brandy, you're a fine girl..by Dr. Hook...I hated the song when it cam out...my guitar buddy called me one night drunk begging me to find this song...very good lyrics..a nice story
Title: Re:Unapologetic, &#8220;Over the Top&#8221; Drumming Examples
Post by: Louis Russell on January 30, 2006, 08:05 PM
Quote from: DWdrmr on January 30, 2006, 07:12 PM
Does anyone actually know the words to that song

Here you go.

LOUIE, LOUIE
(Richard Berry)

The Kingsmen - 1963
Paul Revere & The Raiders - 1963
The Beach Boys - 1964
Otis Redding - 1964
The Kinks - 1964
The Sandpipers - 1966
Frank Zappa & The Mothers Of Invention - 1969
The Flamin' Groovies - 1971
Joan Jett & The Blackhearts - 1981
Stanley Clarke & George Duke - 1981
Also recorded by: Chuck Berry; Motorhead; Iggy Pop; Phalanx; Toots & The Maytals;
Steve Plunkett; Herb Gross & The Invictas; Black Flag; Barry White; Robert Plant;
Ike & Tina Turner; Pete Fountain; Mongo Santamaria; Johnny Winter; Jim Capaldi.


CHORUS:
Louie Louie, oh no
Me gotta go
Aye-yi-yi-yi, I said
Louie Louie, oh baby
Me gotta go

Fine little girl waits for me
Catch a ship across the sea
Sail that ship about, all alone
Never know if I make it home

CHORUS

Three nights and days I sail the sea
Think of girl, constantly
On that ship, I dream she's there
I smell the rose in her hair.

CHORUS

Okay, let's give it to 'em, right now!

(Instrumental Break)

See Jamaica, the moon above
It won't be long, me see me love
Take her in my arms again
Tell her I'll never leave again

CHORUS

Let's take it on outa here now
Let's go!!

Title: Re:Unapologetic, ?Over the Top? Drumming Examples
Post by: DWdrmr on January 30, 2006, 08:24 PM
wow..ask a silly Q....let this be a lesson to other fools...."woe unto you, he who asketh a question in jest"...Conan the Barbarian
Title: Unapologetic, ?Over the Top? Drumming Examples
Post by: chefdoug on January 30, 2006, 09:27 PM
Anywho, back on topic. I was listening to Zappa's "The Best Band you Never Heard in Your Life" and the opening track "Heavy Duty Judy" has some serious over the top drumming by Chad Wackerman. Most of the album is over the top, but this track is pretty crazy. I wish I had a means of posting for all to hear, but for now you'll have to trust me. ;)