First off, The people that I will mention here must be doing something right to be in the position they are in, but I still have some least favorites.
Jose Pasillias from Incubus. Repeats same licks in same spots from album to album to album. I don't even think he listens to the music. He even said on an Incubus DVD that as long as you move around a lot and do crazy things behind the kit, it will create the illusion of being "good."
Mike Apt from government mule. I don't think he listens to the music neither.
Lars Ulrich, good drummer, bad attitude.
And well, myself because I have a lot to work and am currently not even in a band!
I don't like any of the million notes per minute guys.......or anyone who takes a solo of more than a couple of minutes.
Well I am going to take a lot of flak for this but Mike Portnoy. He just does not do it for me. Mind you he is very good. Clean, well executed and his work on the ride and hihat are awesome. But if you have heard one Mike Portnoy song you have pretty much heard them all. Every drummer needs a hero, he is just not mine.
The fella from Oasis..
Wow ... I have no idea. If they are "worst" Im not listening to them enough to remember who the heck they even are.
I'm with Mark.
I don't really enjoy Lars Ulrich or Dave Grohl
This thread can go awry in a hurry, but I'll throw my vote to Lars Ulrich. For a drummer with so many fans, he has probably the worst time in the biz. So many of his drum licks come from samples, and the band spends half their time in the studio fixing his mistakes (or simply apologizing for his absence).
For the life of me, I don't understand why he's so well regarded.
Charlie Watts. Sorry, but he bores me to tears.
Quote from: 563 on February 21, 2004, 08:58 AM
Wow ... I have no idea. If they are "worst" Im not listening to them enough to remember who the heck they even are.
I agree with this assessment.
Further, I'll go on to suggest that there is no such thing as a worst drummer, even within bounds of educated opinion. It may be true that there are better "groove" players than others, and better cross-stickers, better snare-sound -getters, better cymbal players than others, etc., but drumming is one of those things that is too subjective when all things are considered; it's an art. A bad drummer, overall, doesn't exist; it's impossible.
Quote from: Joe K on February 21, 2004, 04:58 PMA bad drummer, overall, doesn't exist; it's impossible.
Whoa, let's not get carried away, here! :o
Yes, we're talking art, we're talking personal tastes, we're talking individual expression, we're talking subjectivity, and it's impossible to objectively rank drummers from best to worst in such a way that everyone will agree...but to say that bad drummers "(don't) exist"?
Maybe I'm missing something here.
Speaking as a vibes and pan player who has worked with and met some
very bad drummers (and bassists, and singers, and guitarists, and...and...and...) over the years...do you want the list alphabetically or chronologically? ;D
(I should hasten to add that I've also been blessed to work with some truly outstanding drummers, and bassists, and singers, and guitarists, and...and...and...) :D
I reviewed what I've said, and I cannot remember the initial inspiration for this statement:
QuoteA bad drummer, overall, doesn't exist; it's impossible.
Moreover, I realize that if this were true, it would be hard to justify a "good" drummer as well. So, I retract this one sentence due to a lack of cites (and perhaps some confusion on my part). I stand by the rest.
i like em all. ;)
for me, it the style of play as opposed to the drummer, i.e. i don't care for the "fugga-dugga" style of the metal and neo-metal/prog music, but i'm sure the drummers are excellent.
maybe it's the Birkenstocks, but i can't say that i don't like a certain drummer. ;D
Lars Ulrich...Over rated.Now don't get me wrong in the early days of Metallica he was excellent.But in the past 10 years he hasn't done much.Its like he got awsome then stopped growing.And Dave Grohl now his Nirvana stuff is good,but man oh man some of the things he did with Queens of The Stone age while he was their drummer for a while.He is a good guitar player and a good drummer.And he is a relatively good singer.Not the best but I have heard worse.
There are some guys whose playing I don't really like, but that doesn't mean they're bad drummers. I agree with the earlier assessment of Alan White (Oasis,) who I believe was recently fired from that gig. He's the only guy I can think of off the top of m head that felt like a weak link in an otherwise great band.
I used to not care for Eric Kretz (Stone Temple Pilots) but have since come around to his style. I also used to have issues with the snare sound the guy from Semisonic used but have also since come around to it.
the white stripes drummer is the most talentless excuse for a musician i have ever heard, end of story.
Also I don't care for tre cool, the green drummer, at all either. His blatant over-use of crashes is extremely irritating. the first beat of EVERY measure gets a crash. it really takes away from the music in my opinion. It's like if you swear all the time, when you really get mad and swear it doesn't mean anything. But if you use the f-bomb sparingly when do get mad enough to say it, people know "Hey that guy is pissed off!"
i saw the title of the thread and instantly started thinking about it. i came to the conclusion that i don't know of any.
I dont realy dislike any of em and I respect almost all of them (they're all way more succesful than I'll ever be) but if i had to pick one I'd say meg white from the white stripes.
lars, or maybe it's because I just cannot stand metallica.
Maybe the title should have been 'Drummers Who Aren't To Your Taste' then.
I can think of a couple of bad drummers btw.....and in quite well known bands. I'm talking about guy's who don't groove (IMO but I'll qualify that), look VERY stiff and wave their wooden arms around a lot, thus using very little wrist and finger action (those are my qualifications).
There are plenty of drummers who are not to my taste as well. They are all capable and I respect them for what they do, but don't like how they sound myself. These are usually the chops guys like Simon Phillips, Weckl, Peart etc...
Going back to the 'I don't listen to drummers I don't like' comment which seems to be gaining support....
If that was the case with me, I'd have quite narrow listening tastes. There's quite a bit of music where I like everything about it except the drumming. It's not so big a deal that I can never enjoy the overall effect.
I also think it's my duty to keep up with all types of music (except possibly anything 'metal'), therefore I'm daily exposed to drumming I don't really like.
Anyone listen to pop radio in their car?
I think it is a useful thing to do. I'm often surprised by something of good quality.
Everyone here says Lars ulrich.
I went with a friend to the metallica concert at the sydney entertainment centre in sydney Australia on the 21st Janurary 2004.
I got the free ticket so i wasnt complainig i didnt really listen to them much but I must say this guy is unbelieveable period!!!!
Have you seen this guy live its like he is a human metronome.
And his stage presence is awesome he is always up off the kit runnin g around and i must say i was really impressed seing i never had really listened to metallica before that much.
Again this guy brings it all to the table. and is not afraid to ay what he thinks and that my friens is pure honesty. He says what he thinks if you dont like it dont listen to them.
But he has a HUGE following of fans so he must be doing something right.!
Again i never really listened to them but i was but 20 foot from the stage had a free ticket what could i lose??
The guys of metallica blew me away im a new fan big time.
thanks
jace
Quote from: redchapterjubilee on February 21, 2004, 08:46 PMHe's the only guy I can think of off the top of m head that felt like a weak link in an otherwise great band.
Another one is Jack Irons when he was in Pearl Jam. Very boring drumming IMHO...
QuoteI used to not care for Eric Kretz (Stone Temple Pilots) but have since come around to his style
I know what you mean. They play as a band not anyone musician stands out. I never really paid much attention to Kretz until I started to learn there songs(up to 10 now). Then I realized what I had never really heard before.
Quote from: chrisso on February 22, 2004, 03:01 AMGoing back to the 'I don't listen to drummers I don't like' comment which seems to be gaining support....
Not what I said ... What I said was:
QuoteIf they are "worst" Im not listening to them enough to remember who the heck they even are.
Which is different.
Just wanted to clarify.
OK, I misread/mis-remembered what you said.
::)
I never said worst, I said least favorite :o
Quote from: Ben on February 22, 2004, 06:11 AM
Another one is Jack Irons when he was in Pearl Jam. Very boring drumming IMHO...
Is that the guy in the Evenflow video? That guy bugs me. He totally over does the crashes. He plays a crash 4 or 5 times a measure.
Another one is the guy from Hootie and the Blowfish. His technique is painful to watch.
Bad drummers?..... I can't think of any off hand except myself.. never really heard a drummer that really just sucked and couldn't play.
Not my taste drummers?..... that's a hard one too... I usually dig the drum tracks of most bands and songs I listen too..
Personal issues with drummers..... Lars (at one time I liked him then I started to listen to him talk and play drums all down hill from there....)
Quote from: drumsensae on February 22, 2004, 11:08 AM
I never said worst, I said least favorite :o
That's right. Too many people are interpreting it has, "Who's the worst drummer?". That's not what the original question was. It "Who's your least favorite?". And anyone who says that you can't have a least favorite drummer and that you have to respect them all is just being ridiculous. It's personal taste and preference, period.
Hippie out...........
Phil Rudd..
what? negativity at play here?
count me in! ;D
i'm too sucky as a drummer to have a real opinion, but i admit... i don't like the white stripes drummer, either [wait... white stripes is the brother-sistah duo, right? the ones that sound like the beatles on speed?]
i know it's just coz i'm jealous of her success, but honestly -- there are soooo many other great chick players out there... why put the spotlight on her? sometimes it's kind of embarassing to have the bar so low, coz then it gets people going off on that 'yeah, she's pretty good for a girl' schtick.
there's nothing wrong with her playing, really -- i mean, the timing's tight, even though the playing's simple, but i really don't understand what all the hype is about with this band.
i'm also so-so on portnoy, maybe because i was forced to sit about 2 feet in front of his kit [with no earplugs] at a sam ash clinic. my main issue with him is dynamics. he plays full-out, at one dynamic level, which is... REALLY EFFIN' LOUD!!
i will stop my list there, coz one day my band might actually make it, and i'd hate to be on the receiving end of this post.
:-X
Quote from: Ben on February 22, 2004, 06:11 AM
Another one is Jack Irons when he was in Pearl Jam. Very boring drumming IMHO...
That reminds me of Kenny Jones with The Who.
Quote from: SteveR on February 22, 2004, 03:56 PM
Another one is the guy from Hootie and the Blowfish. His technique is painful to watch.
oh, man -- is that the smallish guy with the pixie-ish face? i caught an interview with him on some video-- i think the dw promo video. for the whole interview, he stood there poised and with sticks in hand, and he seemed so knowledgeable. then they cut to a few seconds of him playing and i was really confused, coz he wasn't really playing anything coherent, just slapping out a few notes and crashes here and there. i couldn't tell if it was a pre-sound check thing or what, but it left me utterly confused and wondering what kind of drummer he was.
You guys say that a "bad" or a "good" drummer is all in perspective, and according to taste, but one you cannot find anything good about is Meg White. She is the most talentless, worthless piece of poop ever to sit behind a drumset. I feel dirty every time I hear her music. Worst drummer ever!
Mike Portnoy, and Lars Ulrich.
Portnoy: Good Theory, technique. Very VERY poor 'feel'
I know ill get flamed for this. :-X
Ulrich: Boring
Quote from: Hobo on February 23, 2004, 08:38 PMYou guys say that a "bad" or a "good" drummer is all in perspective, and according to taste, but one you cannot find anything good about is Meg White. She is the most talentless, worthless piece of poop ever to sit behind a drumset. I feel dirty every time I hear her music. Worst drummer ever!
Wrong. I can find something good about Meg White's drumming. I enjoy it. And thats something.
And heres something I was thinking about the other day. The fact that so many drummers dislike White means that theyd play something different than she would. Which in turn illustrates to me that she is somewhat of a unique player, has her own voice on the instrument. Which is more than a lot of folks can say. :)
But in the context of this thread, your post is valid. She is obviously your "least favorite drummer". Just dont try and pass off your opinion as fact and we wont either.
I personally hate Lars Ulrich. I'm not a big fan of Steve Gadd either. I don't particularily care for Tony Williams, Nicko McBrain or Ricki Rocket and all those ultra fast light jazzers, including Peter Erskine and Steve Houghton (wimpy players). Never really saw or heard what all the fuss was about Jeff Porcaro. John Bonham pretty much couldn't keep time worth a hoot and Neil Peart can't swing his way out of a paper bag. Mike Portnoy overplays and Virgil Donati's bands always sound nasty to me. Marco Minneman and Thomas Lang- they just spazz on drums, no feel at all. And Keith Moon, ACHT, the man couldn't even hit a drum half the time, let alone play it- PUKE. Travis Barker is a poor example to all american youth with those nasty tattoos and plus he's always rushing. Buddy Rich couldn't read music so that's a big strike against him. Those are just the guys off the top of my head. I'm sure there are a few more.
Quote from: 563 on February 24, 2004, 10:00 AMAnd heres something I was thinking about the other day. The fact that so many drummers dislike White means that theyd play something different than she would. Which in turn illustrates to me that she is somewhat of a unique player, has her own voice on the instrument. Which is more than a lot of folks can say. :)
Wow...all I can say is, I admire your ability to find the good in things.
Seriously - that's a very healthy attitude to have.
I have to agree with Walker, for sure. Sure White is not a technical drumming virtuoso, but I would say most of us probably arent either. But she does have her own voice, exactly; that, to me is hard to do. As for felix's post, WHAT????? Funny. Or at least I hope your kidding. :)
Lars Ulrich is not to high on my LIKE list but for reasons of his personality not so much his playing. I think he is a very creative drummer and a super hard hitter in the speed metal theme but dont find him to be dynamic or finessing, then when he opens his mouth w/attitude he is just a total turn off.
Now on the other hand I see many people dislike Mike Portnoy for many reasons, I happen to LIKE Mike a lot, I have never had the oppertunity to see him play live but I have seen many taped recording sessions of him and I think he is a very dynamic player and some of the back beats he comes up with are just incredible IMO. I would kill to have his double bass skills and his beat library he stores in that brain. I agree that he may Overplay at times (musicaly) but when your a drummer and want to see a drummer PLAY, he does it for me. Plus I think he has a great personality (again never met him in person) but from all the interviews and such I have seen on him he seems like a very nice guy and a decent teacher, which is half the battle for me to gain my respect ! I was surprised to see so many people mention him here for not being well liked, am I missing something about him?
Quote from: felix on February 24, 2004, 10:15 AM
I personally hate Lars Ulrich. I'm not a big fan of Steve Gadd either. I don't particularily care for Tony Williams, Nicko McBrain or Ricki Rocket and all those ultra fast light jazzers, including Peter Erskine and Steve Houghton (wimpy players). Never really saw or heard what all the fuss was about Jeff Porcaro. John Bonham pretty much couldn't keep time worth a hoot and Neil Peart can't swing his way out of a paper bag. Mike Portnoy overplays and Virgil Donati's bands always sound nasty to me. Marco Minneman and Thomas Lang- they just spazz on drums, no feel at all. And Keith Moon, ACHT, the man couldn't even hit a drum half the time, let alone play it- PUKE. Travis Barker is a poor example to all american youth with those nasty tattoos and plus he's always rushing. Buddy Rich couldn't read music so that's a big strike against him. Those are just the guys off the top of my head. I'm sure there are a few more.
LOL, that's funny. Way to go Felix, I'm bettin' the only one not on your list is me, and that's cuz ya never heard me, ha ha. 8)
MYSELF. I can't stand the way I play. I suck. I am the worst drummer in the world....ever.
Can you tell I have been listening to self-motivation tapes?
http://members.cox.net/ba-nana/nana2
charlie watts......why doesnt he hit the snare and the hihat at the same time...wwhhhyyyyy!!!!
Quote from: onmyown on March 11, 2004, 11:04 AM
charlie watts......why doesnt he hit the snare and the hihat at the same time...wwhhhyyyyy!!!!
Because it sounds and feels awesome! Steve Jordan uses this approach a lot, too. There's certain songs where that groove is absolutely perfect, in my opinion.
Least favorite? Gee, I don't know.............. ;D
Gee, I wonder how I feel on the subject of Lars too! ;D
{xena=huge fan of old metallica music)
Carn, Troop, we may have to step in soon. ;)
Quote from: onmyown on March 11, 2004, 11:04 AM
charlie watts......why doesnt he hit the snare and the hihat at the same time...wwhhhyyyyy!!!!
Yes, I agree with you. I believe he has, in recent years, adopted this style of playing. I watched their HBO concert and I thought it sounded as if he was playing exactly the same beat to every song. Boring!! Don't get me wrong, I used to like C Watts in the old days, and I often defended his playing in discussions where some thought he was too simple. I don't mind his simplicity at all, but now he plays the same boring beat to every song. I hope he is more creative with his jazz band. I just took it that he was just going through the motions to keep the $$$ coming in. 'Too much is never enough' should be the title of their next album.
I don't really think there is one particular drummer I can name as a least favorite. Or any that I particularly dislike immensely. I can't comment on one's that I've never heard that may play in genres that I don't normally listen to.
However, I'm JEALOUS of the ones that I see that may have just joined the right band at the right time, with some handsome/pretty lead singer, they get 1 hit song and then...BAM!...next thing you know it they're on the Grammy's. When you listen to them on CD or live, you KNOW you could do just as good of a job or better than them. You pray for the concert that you attend where the drummer for said band breaks his hand getting to the stage and they ask the audience "Is there a drummer in the house?!?" and you rise to the occasion and nail the performance...and the band decides to ditch the broken handed loser for the much better player that you are....<diddle-le-de diddle-le-de> No! Wait Garth! <didde-le-de diddle-le-de> ;D
Quote from: SteveR on February 22, 2004, 03:56 PM
Is that the guy in the Evenflow video? That guy bugs me. He totally over does the crashes. He plays a crash 4 or 5 times a measure.
Another one is the guy from Hootie and the Blowfish. His technique is painful to watch.
No, beleive it or not the drummer in the Evenflow video is none other than Matt Chamberlain, one of my favs. If you look at the video, notice the trad grip. He was only in the video though, not the original recording. I beleive he stepped in to tour with them after "10" and left before "versus".
Jack Irons, I thought, was only on "Vitalogy", he was also the original drummer for the Chili Peppers. But yes, I also find him to be a little boring.
My observations on this thread made me stop and think - "Are we judging another drummer for his/her lack of abilities, or are we judging them by our own personal tastes in music?"
If a drummer plays too many fills, crashes cymbals too much, etc, are we critical of him/her because we personally don't like that kind of drumming, or are we looking past that and really analyzing the drummer's technical abilities, such as being a good timekeeper, independence on the kit, working as a unit with the rhythmn section, and so on, so forth....
There are drummers who I would rather not listen to, I will admit, but I can't say it is because they don't play the kind of drumming style(s) that I personally prefer.
Just my humble opinion here, folks.
Regards,
drumz1
Quote from: chefdoug on March 11, 2004, 05:28 PM
No, beleive it or not the drummer in the Evenflow video is none other than Matt Chamberlain, one of my favs. If you look at the video, notice the trad grip. He was only in the video though, not the original recording. I beleive he stepped in to tour with them after "10" and left before "versus".
Jack Irons, I thought, was only on "Vitalogy", he was also the original drummer for the Chili Peppers. But yes, I also find him to be a little boring.
Matt Chamberlain, formerly of the Dallas School for the Arts, who was in the Bohemians (later Edie Brickell & the NEW Bohemians) before joining Pearl Jam? Later went on to Saturday Night Live house band, the Wallflowers, Fiona Apple and Tori Amos? That guy?
I hate him, too. Mostly because the bum owes me $5. ::)
Quote from: felix on February 24, 2004, 10:15 AM
I personally hate Lars Ulrich. I'm not a big fan of Steve Gadd either. I don't particularily care for Tony Williams, Nicko McBrain or Ricki Rocket and all those ultra fast light jazzers, including Peter Erskine and Steve Houghton (wimpy players). Never really saw or heard what all the fuss was about Jeff Porcaro. John Bonham pretty much couldn't keep time worth a hoot and Neil Peart can't swing his way out of a paper bag. Mike Portnoy overplays and Virgil Donati's bands always sound nasty to me. Marco Minneman and Thomas Lang- they just spazz on drums, no feel at all. And Keith Moon, ACHT, the man couldn't even hit a drum half the time, let alone play it- PUKE. Travis Barker is a poor example to all american youth with those nasty tattoos and plus he's always rushing. Buddy Rich couldn't read music so that's a big strike against him. Those are just the guys off the top of my head. I'm sure there are a few more.
You rule, Felix. I know, because you're harder on yourself than you are on the jokers listed above!
Quote from: Nubert Thump on March 11, 2004, 12:31 PM
Yes, I agree with you. I believe he has, in recent years, adopted this style of playing. I watched their HBO concert and I thought it sounded as if he was playing exactly the same beat to every song. Boring!! Don't get me wrong, I used to like C Watts in the old days, and I often defended his playing in discussions where some thought he was too simple. I don't mind his simplicity at all, but now he plays the same boring beat to every song. I hope he is more creative with his jazz band. I just took it that he was just going through the motions to keep the $$$ coming in. 'Too much is never enough' should be the title of their next album.
Yeah - I'm not a big Charlie Watt fan either but I think it's more because I'm not a RS fan. Don't get me wrong - there are some RS tunes that are just staples (ie: Satisfaction, Jumping Jack Flash, Wild Horses).
Other drummers are the guys from the Grateful Dead. But it's the music that doesn't appeal to me.
DC
wow! a bad famous drummer?
hmm, why would i knock anyone else?
i can promise you that if i happened to be a drummer in a famous rock band, i would be on the top of yuor list.
i know there is a favorite drummer thread in here but heres mine,
this drummer might be famous if you lie polka,
her name is Judy Sutchy, i hope i spelled it right.
the band , The Sutchy Brothers, has like 7 albums out again Polka. i saw this woman play once live ( don't ask). but wow, not only is she a fox, but her palying blew me away, i i were 1/4 as good as she is i would be famous. her dynamics and accents are un matched.
I personally hate Lars Ulrich. I'm not a big fan of Steve Gadd either. I don't particularily care for Tony Williams, Nicko McBrain or Ricki Rocket and all those ultra fast light jazzers, including Peter Erskine and Steve Houghton (wimpy players). Never really saw or heard what all the fuss was about Jeff Porcaro. John Bonham pretty much couldn't keep time worth a hoot and Neil Peart can't swing his way out of a paper bag. Mike Portnoy overplays and Virgil Donati's bands always sound nasty to me. Marco Minneman and Thomas Lang- they just spazz on drums, no feel at all. And Keith Moon, ACHT, the man couldn't even hit a drum half the time, let alone play it- PUKE. Travis Barker is a poor example to all american youth with those nasty tattoos and plus he's always rushing. Buddy Rich couldn't read music so that's a big strike against him. Those are just the guys off the top of my head. I'm sure there are a few more.
wow that;s a long list of drummers not to like, i thought they alll rocked. buddy rich? if you can out play all these guys, you are my hero
I don't dislike any particular drummer but I do dislike certain drummers with certain groups:
All IMHO of course:
Buddy Miles with Jimi Hendrix - Sorry, not after Mitch.
Kenny Jones with The Who - Sorry, not after Keith.
These are two examples that stand out simply because of the huge gulf existing between the styles of Miles/Jones versus Mitchell/Moon.
Quote from: rocksurvivor on March 12, 2004, 07:31 AM
I personally hate Lars Ulrich. I'm not a big fan of Steve Gadd either. I don't particularily care for Tony Williams, Nicko McBrain or Ricki Rocket and all those ultra fast light jazzers, including Peter Erskine and Steve Houghton (wimpy players). Never really saw or heard what all the fuss was about Jeff Porcaro. John Bonham pretty much couldn't keep time worth a hoot and Neil Peart can't swing his way out of a paper bag. Mike Portnoy overplays and Virgil Donati's bands always sound nasty to me. Marco Minneman and Thomas Lang- they just spazz on drums, no feel at all. And Keith Moon, ACHT, the man couldn't even hit a drum half the time, let alone play it- PUKE. Travis Barker is a poor example to all american youth with those nasty tattoos and plus he's always rushing. Buddy Rich couldn't read music so that's a big strike against him. Those are just the guys off the top of my head. I'm sure there are a few more.
wow that;s a long list of drummers not to like, i thought they alll rocked. buddy rich? if you can out play all these guys, you are my hero
I get deja vu every time I read this post.
Quote from: rocksurvivor on March 12, 2004, 07:31 AM
I personally hate Lars Ulrich. I'm not a big fan of Steve Gadd either. I don't particularily care for Tony Williams, Nicko McBrain or Ricki Rocket and all those ultra fast light jazzers, including Peter Erskine and Steve Houghton (wimpy players). Never really saw or heard what all the fuss was about Jeff Porcaro. John Bonham pretty much couldn't keep time worth a hoot and Neil Peart can't swing his way out of a paper bag. Mike Portnoy overplays and Virgil Donati's bands always sound nasty to me. Marco Minneman and Thomas Lang- they just spazz on drums, no feel at all. And Keith Moon, ACHT, the man couldn't even hit a drum half the time, let alone play it- PUKE. Travis Barker is a poor example to all american youth with those nasty tattoos and plus he's always rushing. Buddy Rich couldn't read music so that's a big strike against him. Those are just the guys off the top of my head. I'm sure there are a few more.
wow that;s a long list of drummers not to like, i thought they alll rocked. buddy rich? if you can out play all these guys, you are my hero
WTF? Have we gotten so lame in our creative sense we just steal other people's words and post them as our own? This is bush, IMHO.
well i didn't mean to steal Gaddabout's words. i ment to respond to them, sorry.
i mean felix's DANG!
Quote from: rocksurvivor on March 12, 2004, 08:23 AM
well i didn't mean to steal Gaddabout's words. i ment to respond to them, sorry.
Three things:
1) they are Felix's words, not Gaddabout's.
2) you can edit your posts after the fact if they don't come out the way you meant.
3) Felix's post is meant to be humorous - it's a troll. Ya gotta know Felix to understand. ;)
oh, YAWN
Har.
Yeah, really. I don't purposely bag on anyone anymore. Sorry if I offended anyone.
The funny thing is, it must be a Carma thing because when you free your mind of "how good am I playing" or "I wonder if this is better than that"- any sort of comparative thinking, it's like taking the chains off your playing. Try it, believe it, make it your motto, find good in everyone's playing, you'll like it and you will play better than you ever have- well some of you will ;) ;D
The guy from Bush may just be the worst EVER...very fill is a snare/floor tom 1/8 note build up- so uncreative!
Quote from: felix on March 12, 2004, 10:07 AM
when you free your mind of "how good am I playing" or "I wonder if this is better than that"- any sort of comparative thinking, it's like taking the chains off your playing. Try it, believe it, make it your motto, find good in everyone's playing, you'll like it and you will play better than you ever have- well some of you will ;) ;D
Very well said. 8)
Quote from: chefdoug on March 11, 2004, 05:28 PM
No, beleive it or not the drummer in the Evenflow video is none other than Matt Chamberlain, one of my favs. If you look at the video, notice the trad grip. He was only in the video though, not the original recording. I beleive he stepped in to tour with them after "10" and left before "versus".
Jack Irons, I thought, was only on "Vitalogy", he was also the original drummer for the Chili Peppers. But yes, I also find him to be a little boring.
OK, now I'm
really confused because I like Matt's playing. Maybe I'm thinking of the Pearl Jam drummer that came after him? Maybe I'm thinking of a drummer that played Evenflow with them at one of the MTV award shows. Maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about. ;D
Isn't there another Matt Chamberlain that played with Big Country and later GnR? It's not the same guy, right?
BTW, Jack Irons played on the first RHCP album. His snare sound is horrid on that record. Not sure what he or they were thinking, but if you get the 'reissue' of that album, there are a couple of demo's they did with a normal snare sound and Irons playing is much better IMO.
WTF? Have we gotten so lame in our creative sense we just steal other people's words and post them as our own? This is bush, IMHO.
Sorry, couldn't resist. ;D
OK, now I'm really confused because I like Matt's playing. Maybe I'm thinking of the Pearl Jam drummer that came after him? Maybe I'm thinking of a drummer that played Evenflow with them at one of the MTV award shows. Maybe I have no idea what I'm talking about. ;D
;D ;D ;D
seriously, though, what you said. ;D
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we gotta stop these hate/least threads, everbody gets all uppity
just so you know: the last post was a joke, i thought it was hilarious, chances are you will not get it.
even that dude from hanson?
;D
what's his face, zak?
i have to bash on lars ulrich though... it seems that he just keeps getting worse with every album. That, and he seems like a jerk, my cousins met him and said he was pretty rude.
Quote from: PorkPizzle on March 22, 2004, 04:28 PM
even that dude from hanson?
;D
what's his face, zak?
As awful as their music is, at least those kids play their own instruments. These days, that's saying something.
Quote from: SteveR on March 22, 2004, 08:45 PM
As awful as their music is, at least those kids play their own instruments. These days, that's saying something.
They play live, yes. Zak doesn't (or hasn't in the past) play in the studio. Abe Laboriel, Jr. is their recording drummer, I believe.
Quote from: Gaddabout on March 23, 2004, 07:35 AM
They play live, yes. Zak doesn't (or hasn't in the past) play in the studio. Abe Laboriel, Jr. is their recording drummer, I believe.
Hmm. Interesting. Maybe he's just not solid enough for studio playing considering he's just a kid. Or maybe he sucks. ;D
BTW, I love Abe's drumming. I picked up Vanessa Carlton's CD just because of his playing.
Quote from: Gaddabout on March 23, 2004, 07:35 AM
They play live, yes. Zak doesn't (or hasn't in the past) play in the studio. Abe Laboriel, Jr. is their recording drummer, I believe.
You say "is", I know. I did read in a past issue of
Modern Drummer where Nick Vincent wrote in "just so everyone (had) the correct info" to say that he played on four of the songs from "Middle of Nowhere", including the singles "MMMBop" and "I Will Come to You". Perhaps Mr. Laboriel did the other ones (leaving, as seems to be usual anyway, a track or two for the band drummer)?
Why I have this in my memory, I've hardly an idea. :)
And, yes, Abe Laboriel Jr.'s playing is excellent. It
makes that one Vanessa Carlton song (her first hit), in my opinion.
yes zak does suck... but they were a hit, which tells ya they did something right
Quote from: PorkPizzle on March 23, 2004, 04:51 PM
yes zak does suck... but they were a hit, which tells ya they did something right
No, he doesn't suck. Even top-quality "band" drummers are often replaced in the studio, given the specialized nature of studio playing.